Why the vested interests have it over us.
The following dicussion (today) covers some interesting issues. Its seems many haaaven't yet realised that we are fighting people who make money from the suffering of our children and belive it or not women too.
Simon
Peter,
Simon
Peter,
Yes our children's welfare is the issue that we need to focus on.
Calling for the protection of women is hard to stomach if you've been on the receiving end, as I have.
However It is a useful tactic, and quite valid in many cases. Its an effective weapon against the vested interest who claim to be fighting for women.
It disempowers them.
Anything we say against women empowers them, because they control the media goons - their press releases get published and they have the last word.
I'd like to see them try to defend their industry once we come our fighting for children ...and (for those who can) women.
Regards,
Simon Hunt
Family Law Action Group
Mornington
Phone: +61 (0)3 5973 6933
Mobile: 0414 415 693
vascopajama@dodo.com.au
http://mumsdadsandkidsagainstsolecust.blogspot.com/
http://thefamilycourtphenomenon.blogspot.com/
www.dashlite.com.au
Simon Hunt
Family Law Action Group
Mornington
Phone: +61 (0)3 5973 6933
Mobile: 0414 415 693
vascopajama@dodo.com.au
http://mumsdadsandkidsagainstso
http://thefamilycourtphenomenon
www.dashlite.com.au
"Protecting children from losing a parent after separation".
Simon Hunt
Family Law Action Group
Paul,
Please do not presume to speak for me.
Complaining about the cause of a problem as opposed to the symptoms is not manipulative. Its sensible and realistic, especially given our complaints get spun (manipulated) to suggest that we are more interested in ourselves than our children.
Regards,
Simon Hunt
Family Law Action Group
Mornington
Phone: +61 (0)3 5973 6933
Mobile: 0414 415 693
vascopajama@dodo.com.au
http://mumsdadsandkidsagainstsolecust.blogspot.com/
http://thefamilycourtphenomenon.blogspot.com/
www.dashlite.com.au
Simon Hunt
Family Law Action Group
Mornington
Phone: +61 (0)3 5973 6933
Mobile: 0414 415 693
vascopajama@dodo.com.au
http://mumsdadsandkidsagainstso
http://thefamilycourtphenomenon
www.dashlite.com.au
"Protecting children from losing a parent after separation".
Hi Ron,
RE "Simon I can't totally agree. CSA need to be kept in line and their Officers charged for abuse and/or misuse of the very powerful laws they have at their disposal."
I think Simon's proposals represent a realistic assessment of the methods that have worked against him in this twisted process. Are they worthless? Not really. He has assessed the system and is responding in kind.
I have to say that I do not agree with many of Simon's proposed tactics. They strike me as manipulative and playing into the hands of our opponents. The tactics validate the tactics of our opponents by imitating them.
PaulD
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Peter,
Yes our children's welfare is the issue that we need to focus on.
Calling for the protection of women is hard to stomach if you've been on the receiving end, as I have.
However It is a useful tactic, and quite valid in many cases. Its an effective weapon against the vested interest who claim to be fighting for women.
It disempowers them.
Anything we say against women empowers them, because they control the media goons - their press releases get published and they have the last word.
I'd like to see them try to defend their industry once we come our fighting for children ...and (for those who can) women.
Regards,Simon Hunt
Family Law Action Group
Unfortunately the facts don't help us. They get ignored and denied.
A campaign to protect Children is different however. Everybody knows children suffer terribly when their fathers are removed. This is shown to be the case is countless media polls.Focus on the suffering of children instead of men and we'll make head way.
This is our opportunity to stop the abuse because right now they get their strength from claiming to be protecting children.
Our attempts to expose the facts of CSA abuse, suicides, and calls for fairness and equity are used against us every time by simply claiming to be protecting children and women.
This can't happen when we call for the protection of children (and women) from them !
Regards,
Simon Hunt
Family Law Action Group
Simon - I agree with what you say here - move solely on the premise and behave accordingly, that this is to protect the relationship with their Father and Mother in all circumstances of Our Current and Future Generations of Children. IMO we need to start bashing the Federal Gov't. Hammering home the untimely death of Fathers subsequent to FLC rulings and CSA decisions as well as demanding an explanation for the overwhelming imbalance of granting Primary Care to mothers. The Federal Gov't can't explain without crucifying themselves so pushed their best option is to actually enact legislation that 'effectively' introduces 'Equal Parenting Time'. One only need to make correlations between these deaths after CSA and FLC actions for eyes to start opening and see the writing on the wall for their 'own' demise. Obviously the media will publish if it's 'juicy' enough for them - but they need facts and figures. These facts and figures are those which are so covetedly hidden by the Federal Gov't through the 'Privacy Legislation' enacted and which both CSA and the FLC hide under.
I know what will sting the Federal Gov't and that is emails from all 'affected' parents demanding 'Equal Parenting Time' and the Explanation of the imbalance. The responses will be intelligence insulting rhetoric - so as quick as it arrives it can be publicly debunked - bad press for the Gov't. And then 750,000 Australians tell the Federal Gov't 'Not good enough matey and, ask the same questions again. The problem is that none of the Govt's have even got a first round of fire from the 750,000 Australians - and they believe they never will! Why??? It's times like these I wish the Good Fairy would send a 'John Laws' or 'Mike Willisee' into our midst!
Okay, we're on the same page now!
And yes I do agree that the devil in the garden, is the scum that makes it's 30 pieces of silver every time a marriage breaks down.
However, to make your plan work, we will need to leave the little poisonous ladies out of the equation altogether. Even though the professional leeches are helping them all the way; the fact is these women are not victims in any sense at all and deserve no help nor do they deserve any sympathy. The only consideration they do deserve is one of a common criminal, because that is precisely what they are.
By the way, I know of many marriage break ups, and I haven't yet come across a woman who has gone too far because of being led down the garden path by a silver tongued serpent. Most of the marriage break ups I have had knowledge of, ended up with the parties agreeing without the use of lawyers or the divorce court. However, the few that went to court were all the handy work of the vicious woman, who was intent on destroying the father. Believe me, the fathers were not all people I had anything in common with. In some cases I knew the women and was astounded at their behaviour and couldn't believe that under the shell of the woman I thought I knew, was a sleeping monster.
So, to get members on side with your cause Simon, you will need to delete all references to protecting these poor damsels and just concentrate 100% on protecting children from the system that is intent on destroying their lives and then put together a plan that will go head long into battle with the idiot heralds who will put any rubbish in their papers as long as it makes money. Then hopefully they might start publishing some of the stories that show how children are continually abused by these government departments.
If you mention anything about protecting these poor misled women, you will not only lose the support of almost 100% of injured fathers; you will also have the nasty fems smelling around you like you are a wolf in sheep's clothing and eventually they will simply put down your story as a conceited attempt at getting in through the back door.
So, 'wounded fathers', is out!
And protecting 'misled mothers', is out!
The only thing we can concentrate on here, is the damage done to children by the system/govt and how govt meddling has destroyed the lives of children, both indigenous and white, by interfering in the lives of families where there lies a taboo for govts. If the govt is not invited; it has no right or authority to interfere and act, without undeniable facts and proof of a crime.
If that crime does not exist, then the court has no jurisdiction!
As I stated in an earlier post, we need to start demanding that if there is no charge or conviction, then the court must disqualify itself and not get involved.
This is our right and we should be forcing this to happen!
Peter G
Simon Hunt
Family Law Action Group
Simon - I agree with what you say here - move solely on the premise and behave accordingly, that this is to protect the relationship with their Father and Mother in all circumstances of Our Current and Future Generations of Children. IMO we need to start bashing the Federal Gov't. Hammering home the untimely death of Fathers subsequent to FLC rulings and CSA decisions as well as demanding an explanation for the overwhelming imbalance of granting Primary Care to mothers. The Federal Gov't can't explain without crucifying themselves so pushed their best option is to actually enact legislation that 'effectively' introduces 'Equal Parenting Time'. One only need to make correlations between these deaths after CSA and FLC actions for eyes to start opening and see the writing on the wall for their 'own' demise. Obviously the media will publish if it's 'juicy' enough for them - but they need facts and figures. These facts and figures are those which are so covetedly hidden by the Federal Gov't through the 'Privacy Legislation' enacted and which both CSA and the FLC hide under.
I know what will sting the Federal Gov't and that is emails from all 'affected' parents demanding 'Equal Parenting Time' and the Explanation of the imbalance. The responses will be intelligence insulting rhetoric - so as quick as it arrives it can be publicly debunked - bad press for the Gov't. And then 750,000 Australians tell the Federal Gov't 'Not good enough matey and, ask the same questions again. The problem is that none of the Govt's have even got a first round of fire from the 750,000 Australians - and they believe they never will! Why??? It's times like these I wish the Good Fairy would send a 'John Laws' or 'Mike Willisee' into our midst!
Okay, we're on the same page now!
And yes I do agree that the devil in the garden, is the scum that makes it's 30 pieces of silver every time a marriage breaks down.
However, to make your plan work, we will need to leave the little poisonous ladies out of the equation altogether. Even though the professional leeches are helping them all the way; the fact is these women are not victims in any sense at all and deserve no help nor do they deserve any sympathy. The only consideration they do deserve is one of a common criminal, because that is precisely what they are.
By the way, I know of many marriage break ups, and I haven't yet come across a woman who has gone too far because of being led down the garden path by a silver tongued serpent. Most of the marriage break ups I have had knowledge of, ended up with the parties agreeing without the use of lawyers or the divorce court. However, the few that went to court were all the handy work of the vicious woman, who was intent on destroying the father. Believe me, the fathers were not all people I had anything in common with. In some cases I knew the women and was astounded at their behaviour and couldn't believe that under the shell of the woman I thought I knew, was a sleeping monster.
So, to get members on side with your cause Simon, you will need to delete all references to protecting these poor damsels and just concentrate 100% on protecting children from the system that is intent on destroying their lives and then put together a plan that will go head long into battle with the idiot heralds who will put any rubbish in their papers as long as it makes money. Then hopefully they might start publishing some of the stories that show how children are continually abused by these government departments.
If you mention anything about protecting these poor misled women, you will not only lose the support of almost 100% of injured fathers; you will also have the nasty fems smelling around you like you are a wolf in sheep's clothing and eventually they will simply put down your story as a conceited attempt at getting in through the back door.
So, 'wounded fathers', is out!
And protecting 'misled mothers', is out!
The only thing we can concentrate on here, is the damage done to children by the system/govt and how govt meddling has destroyed the lives of children, both indigenous and white, by interfering in the lives of families where there lies a taboo for govts. If the govt is not invited; it has no right or authority to interfere and act, without undeniable facts and proof of a crime.
If that crime does not exist, then the court has no jurisdiction!
As I stated in an earlier post, we need to start demanding that if there is no charge or conviction, then the court must disqualify itself and not get involved.
This is our right and we should be forcing this to happen!
Peter G
So Paul, are you suggesting we continue on as we have been complaining about the injustice and setting our selves up up criticism as being more interested in our selves than our children? Because that's what happens now. You seem to forget that the vested interests can get any press release they write published. They can do this becuase they claim to be protecting women and children ...from us! When we start lobbying for the protection of children, instead of complaining about the injustises, we'll get the press. Otherwise we'll continue to be side lined. And the abusers of our children will continue to be seen as their protectors. And whats manipulative about trying to protect our children? Just becuase you don't have any and aren't interested in protecting children shouldn't make you blind to the fact that our children are being used to hurt us. This forum is fathers4equality not males4equality. I suggest you go somewhere else if you're not interested in protecting children. Again I say protecting children - regaining our authority as fathers of our children is the key to solving the CSA, false allegation and suicide problems. Simon. Peter, Your right of course but I can assure you women are encouraged all the way, to make these alligations. Its what the game's all about. The AVO is normally the first thing a solicitor does - and we all know the grief they cause. I've no doubt that most need little encouragement to make these alligations. The thing is they shouldn't be encouraged to do so. They should be encouraged to do the right thing by their children, and them selves. I know of plenty of cases where women who have every intention of doing the right thing by their kids, get goaded into making allegations of abuse. Its how Family Law solicitors make their money. As you say, most are inclined to do so anyway. ie its not hard for solicitors make sure it happens. The main point however is that by standing up for women as opposed to blaming them (for not having the good sense to reject their solicitor's advise) is getting the media on side and focused on really protecting women and children, whilst exposing the vested interest for the abusers they are. Its a strategy thing. We don't want the press banding us as misogynists, and that's what will happen every time, unless we're smart about it. As the saying goes 'God have no fury like a woman scorned'. They certainly don't need encouragement and facilitation from slime ball Family Court solicitors and practicioners. Simon Hunt Simon, Mate, I agree with all you wrote here but there is one thing you keep putting in most of your emails that I most definitely disagree with and I hope you haven't honestly convinced yourself that what you say is true in most cases, because if you have you are deluding yourself. You wrote: "This and the abuse of women by the practitioners of the court is what we need to expose to divest the feminazi of their power in the media and in government." I'm sorry mate, but if you think the majority of these cunning criminal women who are doing the utmost to kidnap children, lie, cheat, steal, and drive a father to his grave deliberately, are victims of lawyers and court workers; then you are a bloody fool! How the hell did you come to this conclusion? I will accept that there will be a small percentage who will do more than they intended because of pressure from all the professional scum in the industry. But I most certainly won't accept that the mean or majority are victims of the same professional manipulation. The bulk of these women are full-on willing to go as far as they possibly can and they are delighted that there are many unscrupulous operators out there who are willing to show them a sure fire way of destroying their ex. The unfortunate thing for most of these women is that they actually have to show some restraint in the end, even if they have won every battle and virtually destroyed their target. I agree with the cause you champion with regard fighting for the rights of children and not vilifying mothers/women, but if you want the support of people like me and others, you will need to stop spouting the utter garbage that women/mothers in general are actually victims of the system. That is the greatest load of bullshit I have every heard! These blood hungry women are over the moon with the prospects that they can do what ever they like. The only thing that does piss them off, is that they actually have to pay the slimey hitmen and hitwomen, who carry out the contract on their behalf. And to the rest of the group, if I am wrong please tell me very loud and clear with lots of info to shove it down my throat any which way but loose. And if you guys can all come up with good info to prove that I am just being a sour puss and let me have it here in the group, then I will eat humble pie and admit my fault and mistaken belief. Somehow, I don't think any of you are going to be very convincing in trying to get me to believe that the general population or the majority of women/mothers who are instigating action in the divorce court are actually victims. Just remember, we all know that the bulk of broken marriages don't go all the way to the end with the courts and a lot are settled well before that even without lawyers. It is a certain mongrel element of woman who is doing all this damage and deliberately heading for the family destruction system, and these are the people that Simon seems to be talking about by the context of his statements. That is if my dyslexia hasn't gone and done another snow job on me yet again. And if it has, Simon I do humbly apologise and withdraw all I have said and beg your forgiveness! Peter G |
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